Multi Track Wagering - How To Do It With Success - Pace and Cap

lsosa54 · 09-01-2007, 03:53 PM

Even with the trackmaster download, is anyone truly doing multitrack wagering? I'm talking 5 tracks or more. I'm finding that just Del mar is taking me enough time and energy. Maybe I'm spending too much time on paceline selection and that's the problem? Maybe the problem is I know the circuit too well and am looking at some "mainstream" stuff before selecting pacelines? I'm also spending time analyzing all the screens (Val).

I'd like to hear some other opinions. Maybe I just need to become more mechanical in paceline selection and contender elimination and trust the bl/bl and v/dc and so be it.

chris · 09-01-2007, 08:35 PM

I used to do three-four tracks simultaneously. Had some success but more failures. I've now settled on one primary track, usually download one back-up when the primary venue is stacked with Maiden & Maiden claiming races.

This seems to fit me. It could change again, but for now this is comfortable. Everyone who stays with this foolishness long enough, will find his/her comfort level, whether they embrace it is another question altogether. One of the pleasant consequences of a minimalist approach is that a bad month is just that, a bad month, not a catastrophy! I know, I just had one.

I don't know if going to a more mechanical approach is the answer. I guess you'll have to try it and find out. I'm not being flippant, but I believe that it's the best way to verify an outcome. When the Sartinistas said they had a better way to slice bread, I sharpened my knife and went out and bought an unsliced loaf.

One thing you said that really caught my attention "Maybe I know the circuit to well..." Maybe. When I'm in a particularly bad patch and can't seem to get out, I'll switch to a track I'm unfamiliar with. It works. Once I get over my discomfort, I'm forced to pay attention to what's right in front of me. I'll be doing just that this Monday with Philadelphia Park, as long as I'm there for our contest race, I'll handicapp the rest of card. I intend to do well.

Regards.
Chris

RichieP · 09-01-2007, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lsosa54

Even with the trackmaster download, is anyone truly doing multitrack wagering? I'm talking 5 tracks or more.

I look at an average of 85 race cards per week. going as high as 110.

I am looking for certain race types Lou that I have become familiar with. The rest of the races I pass quickly.

Typical card takes me 10 minutes to run through looking for potential spot plays.

I have given up trying to be a "general practitioner" and have focused my energy into being a "specialist".

Richie

lsosa54 · 09-01-2007, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichieP

I look at an average of 85 race cards per week. going as high as 110.

I am looking for certain race types Lou that I have become familiar with. The rest of the races I pass quickly.

Typical card takes me 10 minutes to run through looking for potential spot plays.

I have given up trying to be a "general practitioner" and have focused my energy into being a "specialist".

Richie

Richie: I certainly have thought about specializing in the past, however, more in terms of just sprints or just turf. If you're working every day, you're looking at 12-15 race cards per day - that's a bunch.

1-I'm assuming you're looking for one or all of Jim's spot plays - 1) Lone Early 2) Dominant early in race with multiple earlies 3)Other than early into THREE matching earlies at the FIRST CALL 4)Marathon Distance Races at 10f and Longer

I remember you saying your best win % and ROI was on #3.

2-What downloads do you use to be able to keep unlimited daily cards economical?

I've taken a break from the manual match up off the paper pp's the last few days and started working with Validator again. Probably shouldn't go back and forth.

I need to go one way or the other very soon as I need to generate some income for myself and my son.

Thanks for you input.

lsosa54 · 09-01-2007, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris

I used to do three-four tracks simultaneously. Had some success but more failures. I've now settled on one primary track, usually download one back-up when the primary venue is stacked with Maiden & Maiden claiming races.

This seems to fit me. It could change again, but for now this is comfortable. Everyone who stays with this foolishness long enough, will find his/her comfort level, whether they embrace it is another question altogether. One of the pleasant consequences of a minimalist approach is that a bad month is just that, a bad month, not a catastrophy! I know, I just had one.

I don't know if going to a more mechanical approach is the answer. I guess you'll have to try it and find out. I'm not being flippant, but I believe that it's the best way to verify an outcome. When the Sartinistas said they had a better way to slice bread, I sharpened my knife and went out and bought an unsliced loaf.

One thing you said that really caught my attention "Maybe I know the circuit to well..." Maybe. When I'm in a particularly bad patch and can't seem to get out, I'll switch to a track I'm unfamiliar with. It works. Once I get over my discomfort, I'm forced to pay attention to what's right in front of me. I'll be doing just that this Monday with Philadelphia Park, as long as I'm there for our contest race, I'll handicapp the rest of card. I intend to do well.

Regards.
Chris

Thanks for the feedback, Chris. I basically do as you except the Socal circuit is my main one and I back it up with whatever major one is running East. That said, sometimes that's even too much to do contender & paceline selection justice. For ex., tomorrow you're looking at 7 non-maiden races at SAR and 7 at DMR.

RichieP · 09-01-2007, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lsosa54

1-I'm assuming you're looking for one or all of Jim's spot plays - 1) Lone Early 2) Dominant early in race with multiple earlies 3)Other than early into THREE matching earlies at the FIRST CALL 4)Marathon Distance Races at 10f and Longer

I remember you saying your best win % and ROI was on #3.

2-What downloads do you use to be able to keep unlimited daily cards economical?

taken a break from the manual match up off the paper pp's the last few days and started working with Validator again. Probably shouldn't go back and forth.

I need to go one way or the other very soon as I need to generate some income for myself and my son.
Thanks for you input.

Lou
#1 - #3 is far and away the most profitable. Folks have no clue whats going on in these race types. This includes ME quite often. Having said that when I do hit the avg win $ is over $15.00 and this is looking at a LARGE number of races.

#2 - I had been paying Trackmaster an unlimited 3 month subscription to their regular pp's for over a year before TM "comped" me a couple months back. This gives BOTH the .exe files used in Sartin software in addition to the Pdf's ones for traditional past performances. Less than $2.50 a day for all tracks in both formats when the 3 month unlimited is used.
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ok now the easy stuff is out of the way.

When it comes to Validator there is NOBODY I know sharper than Bill Varone. Honest truth. NOBODY. Pick his brain man. He learned hands on from Doc in Socal.

Regarding WHICH path to take (form or software) I can only suggest you pick ONE and stick with it. I don't have all the answers but this one I am most certain of. Choose ONE.

I know of THREE people who make CONSISTENT money matching with the form (2 from Jim, the 3rd I met).

I know at least TWELVE people who make CONSISTENT money using SOFTWARE. What do the percentages tell you?

I can't be any more upfront than that ok?

Now there ARE many things that an understanding of the matchup BASICS
(5 step approach ESPECIALLY) WILL help software users with in my opinion.

Biggest "Hat Helper" by FAR:
Projecting a pace 1c and 2c (using adjusted is fine if done CONSISTENTLY)
Using that proj pace to select contenders/running lines

BASICS help you win races and put bread on the table.

Hope this helps you Lou.

Richie

admin · 09-02-2007, 08:44 AM

Many good points guys

I am kind of spot playing races But its more of timing
than looking for something
4njbets.com offers about 15-20 tracks each day
about half are thorobred races. When I get a chance
I look at what races are coming up. If I see somethig
I will download that card ( I have a comp with TRACKMASTER)
and work that race I might do 3 or 4 races thoughout the day
Right now i'm only able to do full cards on Sat/Sunday
but I only work one race and track at a time My brain is
unable to focus on more than that. I need more time between races than most. I'm often asked about Pick 3's pick 4's pick'6
I have a very tough time doing 3 consecutive races
I appreciate the nice comments, I think Rich makes a great point
The 5 steps of Hats Match Up 2 and projecting the pace
has helped my software use very much
I was very happy being able to do pretty well while on vacation
using the DRF and the match up only. I do best with the steps and software

GS
Bill

shoeless · 09-02-2007, 09:21 AM

I find that only concentrating on CT and Penn Im doing better now and looking for the spot turf play.It's wierd how on the turf Im able to do the match up with only the DRF but not on dirt.

FYI Richie your no slouch either when it comes to using the computer.Jeff

admin · 09-02-2007, 12:25 PM

Amen to that Jeff

Richie is #1

what ever he uses

I find turf races to be harder. I see many turf race examples in The Match
UP 2 book I have a mental block about early horses in turf races
I better rethink them

Bill

JimG · 09-02-2007, 12:42 PM

Good topic. My advice is to make sure you can be profitable at one track before branching out to any other. Even if you are specializing, get a handle on one track/circuit before going forward.

If you are picking your own pacelines with a program and putting thought into it, I think it would be hard to juggle more than two tracks at a time. If you are using software that automatically picks pacelines and are just looking for overlays, patterns, etc., then multiple track playing is a good option, if your records indicate you can profit by doing so.

09-02-2007, 08:44 AM	#7
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	thoughts Many good points guys I am kind of spot playing races But its more of timing than looking for something 4njbets.com offers about 15-20 tracks each day about half are thorobred races. When I get a chance I look at what races are coming up. If I see somethig I will download that card ( I have a comp with TRACKMASTER) and work that race I might do 3 or 4 races thoughout the day Right now i'm only able to do full cards on Sat/Sunday but I only work one race and track at a time My brain is unable to focus on more than that. I need more time between races than most. I'm often asked about Pick 3's pick 4's pick'6 I have a very tough time doing 3 consecutive races I appreciate the nice comments, I think Rich makes a great point The 5 steps of Hats Match Up 2 and projecting the pace has helped my software use very much I was very happy being able to do pretty well while on vacation using the DRF and the match up only. I do best with the steps and software GS Bill Last edited by admin; 09-02-2007 at 08:52 AM.

09-02-2007, 12:25 PM	#9
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	turf Amen to that Jeff Richie is #1 what ever he uses I find turf races to be harder. I see many turf race examples in The Match UP 2 book I have a mental block about early horses in turf races I better rethink them Bill

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09-01-2007, 03:53 PM	#1
lsosa54 Grade 1 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NYC and San Diego Posts: 627	Multi Track Wagering - How To Do It With Success Even with the trackmaster download, is anyone truly doing multitrack wagering? I'm talking 5 tracks or more. I'm finding that just Del mar is taking me enough time and energy. Maybe I'm spending too much time on paceline selection and that's the problem? Maybe the problem is I know the circuit too well and am looking at some "mainstream" stuff before selecting pacelines? I'm also spending time analyzing all the screens (Val). I'd like to hear some other opinions. Maybe I just need to become more mechanical in paceline selection and contender elimination and trust the bl/bl and v/dc and so be it.

09-01-2007, 08:35 PM	#2
chris Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Richfield, MN Posts: 182	Multi-track wagering? I used to do three-four tracks simultaneously. Had some success but more failures. I've now settled on one primary track, usually download one back-up when the primary venue is stacked with Maiden & Maiden claiming races. This seems to fit me. It could change again, but for now this is comfortable. Everyone who stays with this foolishness long enough, will find his/her comfort level, whether they embrace it is another question altogether. One of the pleasant consequences of a minimalist approach is that a bad month is just that, a bad month, not a catastrophy! I know, I just had one. I don't know if going to a more mechanical approach is the answer. I guess you'll have to try it and find out. I'm not being flippant, but I believe that it's the best way to verify an outcome. When the Sartinistas said they had a better way to slice bread, I sharpened my knife and went out and bought an unsliced loaf. One thing you said that really caught my attention "Maybe I know the circuit to well..." Maybe. When I'm in a particularly bad patch and can't seem to get out, I'll switch to a track I'm unfamiliar with. It works. Once I get over my discomfort, I'm forced to pay attention to what's right in front of me. I'll be doing just that this Monday with Philadelphia Park, as long as I'm there for our contest race, I'll handicapp the rest of card. I intend to do well. Regards. Chris

09-02-2007, 09:21 AM	#8
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,660	I find that only concentrating on CT and Penn Im doing better now and looking for the spot turf play.It's wierd how on the turf Im able to do the match up with only the DRF but not on dirt. FYI Richie your no slouch either when it comes to using the computer.Jeff

09-02-2007, 12:42 PM	#10
JimG Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 992	Good topic. My advice is to make sure you can be profitable at one track before branching out to any other. Even if you are specializing, get a handle on one track/circuit before going forward. If you are picking your own pacelines with a program and putting thought into it, I think it would be hard to juggle more than two tracks at a time. If you are using software that automatically picks pacelines and are just looking for overlays, patterns, etc., then multiple track playing is a good option, if your records indicate you can profit by doing so.