Poll Question

[dugoutgold]

hey Shoe, ive changed how i look at readouts etc over the years here. These days I look for the top 5 lowest odds horses and take it from there. Yes i miss a huge payoff once in a while but I just care about steady profit. Boreing but I have somewhat of a traders background here and use the old addage, keep your losses low! Meaning this I after getting the lowest 5/6 contenders then ill use my readouts. Also with the 2 horse dutch I often spilt the bets 60/40 if the lowodds horse looks that good and my second pick is around 4 to 1 or better. As you might guess i pass alot of races these days as I want the risk/reward ratio to be worth the bet. Also i do do keep simple models, On Val its the V/DC screen to look at trends. On spec which even though i tested many versions for Guy I was never constant I looked for the mug. per1 and 2 and the BBL.

[Rxlawyer]

Jeff:

I use Aodds Gold with Energy II. I use Aodds for projecting the time, selecting pacelines and contender selection. Then I send the data to Energy II. Then I use Energy II to make eliminations. Then I use Energy II to make my final decision which is based entirely on the various screens. Once in awhile I only get one or two contenders so I do not need to use Energy II.

Gary

[JoeLong]

Originally Posted by Rxlawyer

Jeff:

I use Aodds Gold with Energy II. I use Aodds for projecting the time, selecting pacelines and contender selection. Then I send the data to Energy II. Then I use Energy II to make eliminations. Then I use Energy II to make my final decision which is based entirely on the various screens. Once in awhile I only get one or two contenders so I do not need to use Energy II.

Gary

I am using Phase V Energy, I've never heard of Energy II, please explain. Thanks.

[Rxlawyer]

Dear Joe:

Energy II came out after Energy V. Worked very well with Aodds Gold 98. Very similar to Energy V with some improvements and some adjustments. I love the original Energy, but it is too hard to use with newer computers. Here is a screen shot.

Gary

[JoeLong]

Was this an upgrade product to the original Energy program, or was it marketed as a new program? I lost touch with the methodology after KGen, and don't remember it being around then.

Energy II does not seem to be posted on the website in the old programs section, know where one may obtain a copy?

[Rxlawyer]

Joe:

My best recollection is that the program was marketed as an upgrade of Energy! I can not remember, but I think it came out after KGEN. You might ask Jim "The Hat" Bradshaw if he has a copy.

Gary

[JoeLong]

Originally Posted by Rxlawyer

Joe:

My best recollection is that the program was marketed as an upgrade of Energy! I can not remember, but I think it came out after KGEN. You might ask Jim "The Hat" Bradshaw if he has a copy.

Gary

Someone shared a copy with me today, I see little difference with the main screens, what have you found as an improvement?

Thanks - JoeLong

[Rxlawyer]

Dear Joe:

The only improvement that I really use is the combination with Aodds Gold 98 and the ease of sending data from Aodds Gold 98 to Energy II! Some of the new screens are not part of my routine.

Gary

[JoeLong]

Originally Posted by Rxlawyer

Dear Joe:

The only improvement that I really use is the combination with Aodds Gold 98 and the ease of sending data from Aodds Gold 98 to Energy II! Some of the new screens are not part of my routine.

Gary

Hi Gary,

That is a nice feature not having to confirm the paceline selection prior to creating an Energy file. Based on your post, can I make the assumption that in most circumstances you allow Aodds to automatically select both contenders and pacelines and analysis is performed by Energy?

Let me see if I understand the process:

1). Aodds Silver lacks the handicapping screens of Gold but has the ability to pick contenders & pacelines, so it selections must be sent to another program like Energy for handicapping.

2). The problem I see with Gold is that it has a MegaChex screen and a final handicapping screen that may or may not agree with Energy's readouts how do you handle that problem?

How strong is Aodds at handicapping, and is outputting to Energy even required once you are running Gold? Can you share your method for using Aodds Gold?

Thanks - JoeLong

[Rxlawyer]

Dear Joe:

It has been so long since I used Aodds Silver that I do not remember much about it.

I use Aodds Gold 98 strictly as a contender selection tool. I usually start at the past performances. I look at the projected times to see if I agree with them. I ususally do, but not always. If not then I change the projected fraction(s) I do not agree with. Then I select my own pacelines. I usually agree with the program about 90% of the time.
I rarely use Megachex. However, I do use the Final Handicapping screen to give another view of strengths and weaknesses of various horses. I mark or "scratch" non-contenders where I find them in Aodds Gold 98. Then I send the data file to Energy II.
I never compared the Energy II screens to the Final Handicapping screen in Aodds Gold 98 so I didn't know there was a problem. I still don't see it as a problem. I see it as two ways of looking at data since the screens measure different characteristics.
Aodds Gold 98 is a very strong handicapping tool. I find that I get many races down to one, two or three contenders in Aodds Gold 98. If so, I usually do not send the data file to Energy II because I can usually complete my decision-making by visually completeing the matchup process using the various screens in Aodds. Sometimes, when I can't make up my mind then I do send the remaining horses to Energy II. I ONLY send true contenders to Energy II. When I have four or more contenders left in a race then I definitely send the data to Energy II to complete my decision-making process.

Gary