off tracks dirt and turf - Pace and Cap

turfsup · 03-26-2016, 02:27 AM

im a new member but several years back i was using thoromation very effectively // i was keeping great records on off tracks dirt and turf and i lost about 80 percent of those two horse bets so i stopped beting off tracks and stoped using pacelines from off tracks///does anyone have any ideas on this subject wit h the new track surfaces??

Mitch44 · 03-26-2016, 10:45 AM

I never use off track lines even when the track is off. In my experience I've found that it makes no difference and the best horse still wins.

Turf races have more unknown factors in them such as horses not having 3 races over the surface and your percentages go down as a result. Many have no races over turf and are essentially maidens on turf. To increase your percentages and up your game stick to turf races where all the entrants have at least 3 starts over the surface.
Mitch44

Lt1 · 03-26-2016, 10:15 PM

Hi Turfs. I see that you maintained records which showed you were weak in turf and off track races. I also kept records and identified where I did well and not so well. I solved this problem by confining my play to races for older horses on the dirt. I avoid 2and 3 yr old races and will play a limited amount of turf races. I still handicap races I will not play to see if I can build my ability to the point where I think it is time to dive back into the pool.
Tim

turfsup · 03-27-2016, 12:22 AM

dear mitch thanks for your helpful response ///i be getting the new version of rdss asap // how has the old version performed for you ??

Mitch44 · 03-27-2016, 02:31 PM

Excellent, I would highly recommend it. I think you can start with the current version and trade up when the new version comes out, which could be several months. That'll make your transition to the new version much easier.

RDSS has all the old programs in it and later more advanced programs since Thoramation was around. I would suggest you use the later programs that are in RDSS. No more 1 or 2 adjust which drove me crazy. Check with Ted on getting started and don't bet till you get to know it.
As I said I love it and it really is very simplified as compared to earlier stuff. If you can pick contenders and pace lines you'll do good. Note: there are advanced tools to picking pace lines also such as Preceptor and every race in the horses chart is rated. No longer need to add SR + Variant etc.

Best of luck,
Mitch44

turfsup · 03-27-2016, 10:59 PM

does anyone know if aline the woman that doc mentions in the old followups or his son shane are still in the group ?if so how would i reach them

03-26-2016, 02:27 AM	#1
turfsup AlwNW1X Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 16	off tracks dirt and turf im a new member but several years back i was using thoromation very effectively // i was keeping great records on off tracks dirt and turf and i lost about 80 percent of those two horse bets so i stopped beting off tracks and stoped using pacelines from off tracks///does anyone have any ideas on this subject wit h the new track surfaces??

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03-26-2016, 10:45 AM	#2
Mitch44 Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: The Villages, Fl. Posts: 3,706	I never use off track lines even when the track is off. In my experience I've found that it makes no difference and the best horse still wins. Turf races have more unknown factors in them such as horses not having 3 races over the surface and your percentages go down as a result. Many have no races over turf and are essentially maidens on turf. To increase your percentages and up your game stick to turf races where all the entrants have at least 3 starts over the surface. Mitch44

03-26-2016, 10:15 PM	#3
Lt1 Grade 1 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Valley Stream NY Posts: 9,274	Hi Turfs. I see that you maintained records which showed you were weak in turf and off track races. I also kept records and identified where I did well and not so well. I solved this problem by confining my play to races for older horses on the dirt. I avoid 2and 3 yr old races and will play a limited amount of turf races. I still handicap races I will not play to see if I can build my ability to the point where I think it is time to dive back into the pool. Tim

03-27-2016, 12:22 AM	#4
turfsup AlwNW1X Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 16	dear mitch thanks for your helpful response ///i be getting the new version of rdss asap // how has the old version performed for you ??

03-27-2016, 02:31 PM	#5
Mitch44 Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: The Villages, Fl. Posts: 3,706	Excellent, I would highly recommend it. I think you can start with the current version and trade up when the new version comes out, which could be several months. That'll make your transition to the new version much easier. RDSS has all the old programs in it and later more advanced programs since Thoramation was around. I would suggest you use the later programs that are in RDSS. No more 1 or 2 adjust which drove me crazy. Check with Ted on getting started and don't bet till you get to know it. As I said I love it and it really is very simplified as compared to earlier stuff. If you can pick contenders and pace lines you'll do good. Note: there are advanced tools to picking pace lines also such as Preceptor and every race in the horses chart is rated. No longer need to add SR + Variant etc. Best of luck, Mitch44

03-27-2016, 10:59 PM	#6
turfsup AlwNW1X Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 16	does anyone know if aline the woman that doc mentions in the old followups or his son shane are still in the group ?if so how would i reach them