Tpr Numbers - Page 4 - Pace and Cap

shoeless · 11-22-2007, 02:20 PM

UH OH this is from Bob Purdy

If you have a source for a good Projected Variant, that would be my first choice. In the absence of that, the Beyer number would be next and DRF variant last.

Happy Thanksgiving,

Bob

shoeless · 11-22-2007, 02:23 PM

Bob,Doesnt the program calculate the projected variant based on the dream race.Happy Thanksgiving as well.Jeff I got that from Richie's post.

Jeff,

You know I forgot about that. It is calculated by the program. In that case, I would use the Beyer as #1, Projected as #2 and the DRF last.

Bob

grahors · 11-22-2007, 02:25 PM

In my haste, I forgot to mention........
When I compare for my adjustments, I compare my target to the "Pace of the Race" the horse ran against, Not the pace of the horse itself.
Kinda my adjusted version of the MU.

shoeless · 11-22-2007, 02:33 PM

THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT BY BOB ABOUT SYN 6 I ASKED HIM WHAT ADJUSTMENTS IT USES

Jeff,

I don't have a source for buying projected variants. It is possible with all the automation these days that there just isn't a market for them anymore.

Synergism VI uses a propriatery adjustment process that incorporates a projected variant as one of the elements of the adjustments. No one else on the planet uses such a sophisticated process of adjusting for speed, distance, surface and track. It isn't perfect (nothing is) but it is far superior to any other process.

Bob

shoeless · 11-22-2007, 02:35 PM

Grahors,Thanks again.Jeff

NWearner · 11-22-2007, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichieP

I say the software in your hands Jeff(Syn4) outperforms version 6(Hdw) for WIN betting.

I'll put up a 5 pound tray of my family's lasagna (55 year old recipe) to anyone that can test the 2 and show otherwise.

I would be willing to help test this as long as the test is short. I am using Syn6 and think it is excellent for win betting. You don't even have to send the lasagna. I would settle for the recipe!

Maybe we could do something where we look at the same races and post some win bets ahead of the race. It's really hard to do a test like this, but it would be interesting...

shoeless · 11-22-2007, 05:11 PM

Sounds like a good idea.Jeff

RichieP · 11-22-2007, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NWearner

I would be willing to help test this as long as the test is short. I am using Syn6 and think it is excellent for win betting. You don't even have to send the lasagna. I would settle for the recipe!

Maybe we could do something where we look at the same races and post some win bets ahead of the race. It's really hard to do a test like this, but it would be interesting...

Tremendous NW!

Maybe Jeff could pick a track and you both could get together on line selection/contenders/readouts etc. What do you think about 4-5 cards as a sample? Don't want to take you away for your game man. Heck if it's ok for me to join in with RDSS I'd love to.

I say that based on Tpr and Ap reads Syn4 is at least equal to Syn 6.

Hey regardless of outcome I will send you the recipe NW

Think you will like it.

Ted Craven · 11-22-2007, 06:56 PM

Although my mouth is watering for both lasagne and turkey by now

- getting back to a comparison between variants of HDW (via Syn6) and DRF/Beyer or perhaps TrackMaster's (via Val/Spec/RDSS) - I too would be quite interested in anything that might highlight differences, similarities, relative merits, etc

I've heard from lots of folks how HDW's variants (i.e. Daily Track Variants and Inter Track variants) are the best there is and how TrackMaster/Equibase's are inferior. But I suspect that is largely anecdotal (or else marketing). Maybe HDW is superior, and 4 or 5 cards worth won't really prove one way or t'other, but it would be fascinating as an adhoc experiment to observe the differences.

As for Val/Spec/RDSS, I'm not sure I'd stick just to the TPR screens, but at least (in RDSS) that screen could provide a common ground with Syn4/6. If someone wants to pick some cards, I too would like to follow along (and chip in as much as I can).

What would be an objective, comparative measuring stick: ranking of final contenders? Pre-selected win bets? If the latter, that sort of gets away from a comparative readouts examination and into the realm of wager selection. And differences in variants, what to speak of other methods of paceline selection, will likely result in many differing line selections and thus final contender differences. Not that that should stop us from giving it a go! If done before the fact, it could give folks some interesting racing to chew on as the nights get colder...

Ted

shoeless · 11-23-2007, 12:15 AM

Hey Guys how about Philly?If that's not acceptable you all can pick one Im just trying to get the ball rolling.That's fine if you want to add RDSS or any other software for that matter[probably though we want ones that have TPR numbers unless you all want to see how other software would do.].I guess we would all have to use the same pacelines in order to compare.Whatever track we decide each person could take a race and they would decide on the pacelines to choose.Jeff

11-22-2007, 06:56 PM	#39
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 9,258	Although my mouth is watering for both lasagne and turkey by now - getting back to a comparison between variants of HDW (via Syn6) and DRF/Beyer or perhaps TrackMaster's (via Val/Spec/RDSS) - I too would be quite interested in anything that might highlight differences, similarities, relative merits, etc I've heard from lots of folks how HDW's variants (i.e. Daily Track Variants and Inter Track variants) are the best there is and how TrackMaster/Equibase's are inferior. But I suspect that is largely anecdotal (or else marketing). Maybe HDW is superior, and 4 or 5 cards worth won't really prove one way or t'other, but it would be fascinating as an adhoc experiment to observe the differences. As for Val/Spec/RDSS, I'm not sure I'd stick just to the TPR screens, but at least (in RDSS) that screen could provide a common ground with Syn4/6. If someone wants to pick some cards, I too would like to follow along (and chip in as much as I can). What would be an objective, comparative measuring stick: ranking of final contenders? Pre-selected win bets? If the latter, that sort of gets away from a comparative readouts examination and into the realm of wager selection. And differences in variants, what to speak of other methods of paceline selection, will likely result in many differing line selections and thus final contender differences. Not that that should stop us from giving it a go! If done before the fact, it could give folks some interesting racing to chew on as the nights get colder... Ted __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™

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11-22-2007, 02:20 PM	#31
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,656	UH OH this is from Bob Purdy If you have a source for a good Projected Variant, that would be my first choice. In the absence of that, the Beyer number would be next and DRF variant last. Happy Thanksgiving, Bob

11-22-2007, 02:23 PM	#32
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,656	Bob,Doesnt the program calculate the projected variant based on the dream race.Happy Thanksgiving as well.Jeff I got that from Richie's post. Jeff, You know I forgot about that. It is calculated by the program. In that case, I would use the Beyer as #1, Projected as #2 and the DRF last. Bob

11-22-2007, 02:25 PM	#33
grahors Grade 1 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 104	In my haste, I forgot to mention........ When I compare for my adjustments, I compare my target to the "Pace of the Race" the horse ran against, Not the pace of the horse itself. Kinda my adjusted version of the MU.

11-22-2007, 02:33 PM	#34
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,656	THIS IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT BY BOB ABOUT SYN 6 I ASKED HIM WHAT ADJUSTMENTS IT USES Jeff, I don't have a source for buying projected variants. It is possible with all the automation these days that there just isn't a market for them anymore. Synergism VI uses a propriatery adjustment process that incorporates a projected variant as one of the elements of the adjustments. No one else on the planet uses such a sophisticated process of adjusting for speed, distance, surface and track. It isn't perfect (nothing is) but it is far superior to any other process. Bob

11-22-2007, 02:35 PM	#35
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,656	Grahors,Thanks again.Jeff

11-22-2007, 05:11 PM	#37
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,656	Sounds like a good idea.Jeff

11-23-2007, 12:15 AM	#40
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,656	Hey Guys how about Philly?If that's not acceptable you all can pick one Im just trying to get the ball rolling.That's fine if you want to add RDSS or any other software for that matter[probably though we want ones that have TPR numbers unless you all want to see how other software would do.].I guess we would all have to use the same pacelines in order to compare.Whatever track we decide each person could take a race and they would decide on the pacelines to choose.Jeff