Tpr Numbers - Page 6 - Pace and Cap

shoeless · 11-24-2007, 11:41 AM

Bill,This isnt a contest and Im hoping you will participate as well that's the main reason I suggested Philly.I thought it might be interesting to see how the different programs handled TPR numbers.I agree with Richie it's not about selections but readouts,Im very interested to see how Syn 6 fares nobody has ever posted scrrenshots before.Jeff

shoeless · 11-24-2007, 11:47 AM

I think everyone does whatever race they want from Philly for Sunday and Monday and use your own paceline selection.Just when you post the race let everybody know what pacelines you used so we can rerun them through our programs.It really doesnt matter if it's the same race or if once you post it the others post that race after it's run or not.IT'S NOT A CONTEST JUST A COMPARISON.If this is ok with everybody fine if you have a better way post it.Jeff

Houndog · 11-24-2007, 01:07 PM

Attached is a screenshot of a portion of the par file that Synergism IV uses in it's calculations. Let's use PEN 6 furlongs as an example. Working from left to right is the Track - Distance - Average Daily Variant - Fractional Par Times - 3year Track Record - and Track Class.

To get a zero adjustment for Pen you would need to enter 14 for sprints and 19 for routes if you are using the DRF variant. The only difference this is from the original workings in the book PMTR is that they used 17 for all tracks and distances.

Entering 0 for PEN is that you are essentially saying the track was much faster than usual and it would adjust TPR's down. If you have a Pen sprint with a variant of 28 you are saying the track is slower and would adjust TPR's up.

Houndog · 11-24-2007, 01:21 PM

To my way of thinking Synergism III TPR readouts will more closely resemble the readouts of the original concepts as described in PMTR. Synergism IV has more flexibility in what adjustment you can use, and I think it is making use of the fractional pars. Synergism III may be using the 3 year best as opposed to the fractional pars.

Synergism IV most definitely uses the average daily variant if you have it set up to use the DRF variant, I think it uses the fractional par times instead of the 3 year best, and it will also use the relative track class which if you don't like you can turn it off in the set-up menu.

These are just educated guesses on my part, as I did not create the program and just using the concepts put forth on PMTR to make sense of it all.

shoeless · 11-24-2007, 01:49 PM

Houndog,Been worrying about you I have been e mailing but no reply,I hope everything is ok.Why dont you join in on this if you have time and use Syn 3 it might be interesting.Jeff

Houndog · 11-24-2007, 01:59 PM

Jeff, my home e-mail has been acting up lately. I think my ISP was having problems with their e-mail server. Everything seems to be back to normal. I would be happy to run some races through Synergism III as it would be good to compare the different programs.

Let me know what races you want me to work and I will post screenshots here.

shoeless · 11-24-2007, 04:47 PM

Houndog,You can choose as well it's from Philly on Sun and Mon.I will get things rolling and will post on another thread Philly races sun and mon.Jeff

Dallas4lr · 12-03-2007, 08:18 AM

Hmmm,

I was watching this thread from the shadows and was very interested in this study.

Dallas

Dallas4lr · 12-03-2007, 01:15 PM

Opps,

Nevermind I found the thread.

Dallas

11-24-2007, 01:07 PM	#53
Houndog Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,258	Synergism IV DRF Variant Attached is a screenshot of a portion of the par file that Synergism IV uses in it's calculations. Let's use PEN 6 furlongs as an example. Working from left to right is the Track - Distance - Average Daily Variant - Fractional Par Times - 3year Track Record - and Track Class. To get a zero adjustment for Pen you would need to enter 14 for sprints and 19 for routes if you are using the DRF variant. The only difference this is from the original workings in the book PMTR is that they used 17 for all tracks and distances. Entering 0 for PEN is that you are essentially saying the track was much faster than usual and it would adjust TPR's down. If you have a Pen sprint with a variant of 28 you are saying the track is slower and would adjust TPR's up. Attached Images Last edited by Houndog; 11-24-2007 at 01:24 PM.

11-24-2007, 01:21 PM	#54
Houndog Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,258	Synergism III vs Synergism IV To my way of thinking Synergism III TPR readouts will more closely resemble the readouts of the original concepts as described in PMTR. Synergism IV has more flexibility in what adjustment you can use, and I think it is making use of the fractional pars. Synergism III may be using the 3 year best as opposed to the fractional pars. Synergism IV most definitely uses the average daily variant if you have it set up to use the DRF variant, I think it uses the fractional par times instead of the 3 year best, and it will also use the relative track class which if you don't like you can turn it off in the set-up menu. These are just educated guesses on my part, as I did not create the program and just using the concepts put forth on PMTR to make sense of it all.

11-24-2007, 01:59 PM	#56
Houndog Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,258	Home E-mail Jeff, my home e-mail has been acting up lately. I think my ISP was having problems with their e-mail server. Everything seems to be back to normal. I would be happy to run some races through Synergism III as it would be good to compare the different programs. Let me know what races you want me to work and I will post screenshots here.

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11-24-2007, 11:41 AM	#51
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,656	Bill,This isnt a contest and Im hoping you will participate as well that's the main reason I suggested Philly.I thought it might be interesting to see how the different programs handled TPR numbers.I agree with Richie it's not about selections but readouts,Im very interested to see how Syn 6 fares nobody has ever posted scrrenshots before.Jeff

11-24-2007, 11:47 AM	#52
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,656	I think everyone does whatever race they want from Philly for Sunday and Monday and use your own paceline selection.Just when you post the race let everybody know what pacelines you used so we can rerun them through our programs.It really doesnt matter if it's the same race or if once you post it the others post that race after it's run or not.IT'S NOT A CONTEST JUST A COMPARISON.If this is ok with everybody fine if you have a better way post it.Jeff

11-24-2007, 01:49 PM	#55
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,656	Houndog,Been worrying about you I have been e mailing but no reply,I hope everything is ok.Why dont you join in on this if you have time and use Syn 3 it might be interesting.Jeff

11-24-2007, 04:47 PM	#57
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,656	Houndog,You can choose as well it's from Philly on Sun and Mon.I will get things rolling and will post on another thread Philly races sun and mon.Jeff

12-03-2007, 08:18 AM	#58
Dallas4lr Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 104	Hmmm, I was watching this thread from the shadows and was very interested in this study. Dallas

12-03-2007, 01:15 PM	#59
Dallas4lr Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 104	Opps, Nevermind I found the thread. Dallas