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Tim Y · 06-03-2008, 03:33 PM

The significant different Fort Erie turf crowd substantiates yet again that it is a unique surface requiring constant vigilance as it is different than most. EARLY wins again.

I could go on and on, but the point is: when you have dirt horses running on turf: they run like dirt horses. The occasional REAL turf horse will overtake them.

6th race - Fort Erie - June 03, 2008
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
6 Ballisticstatistic 7.30 3.30 3.00
1 Kazillion 3.50 2.80
4 Trajectly Kool 5.20

$2 Triactor 6-1-4 183.10
$2 Exactor 6-1 17.20

Tim Y · 06-03-2008, 04:09 PM

Again, today, the limited typical turf ability is just not around at some of the courses where it is an after thought as in the 9th at Philly. The winner is earliest, relatively to this group.
9th race - Philadelphia Park - June 03, 2008
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
8 Allnightdance 4.80 3.00 2.40
2 Kayla's Smile 3.20 2.20
4 Queenly Luck 2.60

$2 Daily Double 5-8 48.40
$2 Exacta 8-2 17.40

grahors · 06-03-2008, 04:21 PM

granted, you guys are using figures from the software you use.
Pizzola used PPF.
Does anyone remember how to calculate the PPF's. Is the fulcrum needed??
Cec

Ted Craven · 06-03-2008, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grahors

Does anyone remember how to calculate the PPF's. Is the fulcrum needed??
Cec

PPF = F3+time value of 2nd call beaten lengths.

Ted

grahors · 06-03-2008, 05:23 PM

Ray Taulbot software

grahors · 06-03-2008, 05:27 PM

Ted,
F3 is late pace??

grahors · 06-03-2008, 05:33 PM

Chalky!

Ted Craven · 06-03-2008, 05:34 PM

It is Fraction 3, i.e. the time between the 2nd call and the finish. Pizzolla creates PPF by taking the F3 time and adding 1/5th or 2/10th seconds per 2nd call beaten length (or you could do the equivalent by velocity, FPS).

Ted

gl45 · 06-03-2008, 05:37 PM

Cecil,
it seems you're studying some of RT, from the selected pacelines.....I love it.

grahors · 06-03-2008, 06:29 PM

Pino,
Back in the saddle again...heehaaa. Feeling good, bud.
In maiden races, I have had good luck by not putting any filters on the software and letting it find the best "pace of race" for each horse. as long as the horsie has shown some sign of life in that race.
Other races, I do filter for relative distance and surface and let fly...sometimes crawling into the wayback mobile....
Cec
Been doing alot of Taulbot reading.....love his style and "old" ideas.....

06-03-2008, 03:33 PM	#11
Tim Y turf historian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,455	6th Fort Erie lawn bowlers The significant different Fort Erie turf crowd substantiates yet again that it is a unique surface requiring constant vigilance as it is different than most. EARLY wins again. I could go on and on, but the point is: when you have dirt horses running on turf: they run like dirt horses. The occasional REAL turf horse will overtake them. 6th race - Fort Erie - June 03, 2008 Pgm Horse Win Place Show 6 Ballisticstatistic 7.30 3.30 3.00 1 Kazillion 3.50 2.80 4 Trajectly Kool 5.20 $2 Triactor 6-1-4 183.10 $2 Exactor 6-1 17.20 Attached Images

06-03-2008, 04:09 PM	#12
Tim Y turf historian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,455	Again, today, the limited typical turf ability is just not around at some of the courses where it is an after thought as in the 9th at Philly. The winner is earliest, relatively to this group. 9th race - Philadelphia Park - June 03, 2008 Pgm Horse Win Place Show 8 Allnightdance 4.80 3.00 2.40 2 Kayla's Smile 3.20 2.20 4 Queenly Luck 2.60 $2 Daily Double 5-8 48.40 $2 Exacta 8-2 17.40 Attached Images Last edited by Tim Y; 06-03-2008 at 04:15 PM.

06-03-2008, 05:23 PM	#15
grahors Grade 1 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 104	Ray Taulbot software Attached Images

06-03-2008, 05:33 PM	#17
grahors Grade 1 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 104	Chalky! Attached Images

06-03-2008, 05:34 PM	#18
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 9,254	It is Fraction 3, i.e. the time between the 2nd call and the finish. Pizzolla creates PPF by taking the F3 time and adding 1/5th or 2/10th seconds per 2nd call beaten length (or you could do the equivalent by velocity, FPS). Ted __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™

06-03-2008, 04:21 PM	#13
grahors Grade 1 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 104	granted, you guys are using figures from the software you use. Pizzola used PPF. Does anyone remember how to calculate the PPF's. Is the fulcrum needed?? Cec

06-03-2008, 05:27 PM	#16
grahors Grade 1 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 104	Ted, F3 is late pace??

06-03-2008, 05:37 PM	#19
gl45 Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 878	Cecil, it seems you're studying some of RT, from the selected pacelines.....I love it.

06-03-2008, 06:29 PM	#20
grahors Grade 1 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 104	Pino, Back in the saddle again...heehaaa. Feeling good, bud. In maiden races, I have had good luck by not putting any filters on the software and letting it find the best "pace of race" for each horse. as long as the horsie has shown some sign of life in that race. Other races, I do filter for relative distance and surface and let fly...sometimes crawling into the wayback mobile.... Cec Been doing alot of Taulbot reading.....love his style and "old" ideas.....

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