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tom · 05-15-2009, 03:03 PM

However, the Derby winner has some interesting things going for him.
If the track is sloppy tomorrow, it night be sample error to use anything other than a w sloppy dirt track. He is a developing 3 yo and that screams improvement. Throw out his poly track races, look only at dirt, and you see a layoff, some foundation, a huge early pace tightener, then the explosion. I see him repeating that race.

If you make him a contender, you have to use a line that makes him one.
I give the filly no shot at all of winning, but I hope she takes a lot of money.
I'm using the alternative tandem process for the Preakness - the Bird gets the Derby line and all others get a line previous (the best line at 9 furlongs) to that.
I can't wait to run a lot of lines through Val4 tonight.

Good luck all.

Vinnie · 05-15-2009, 03:26 PM

Tom:

I really like your line of thinking on this race. Particularly if it is in the off going. If MTB is the real deal, I will have a big smile on my face even if he wins. If that effort 2 weeks ago in Louisville can be repeated tomorrow and he does it early enough to win, watch out at the Belmont at a mile and a half. I will have him on top of a trifecta ticket because if he duplicates that move, I at least want to have a shot at a score.

Honestly, I can't believe that you don't give Rachel even a shot. Is it because of drawing that nasty #13 post? I believe that she has a lot of versatility and a tremendous amount of tactical speed. If she is able to position herself well going in to the first turn and she isn't placed to far wide, watch out. She can go 22 to 23 seconds in the quarter in a seemingly effortless manner and 46 to 47 in the half while only getting faster beyond that... She is something... She will be the cornerstone of a couple of my tickets.

Good skill to all.

Vinnie

RichieP · 05-15-2009, 06:51 PM

Made a few calls.

Charlie D · 05-16-2009, 06:25 AM

Look at the Power Move MTB made between 2c and straight against POTN and Papa Clem.

A similar Power Move to Street Sense in KD 07, a similar Power Move to Street Sense in Preakness 07

If MTB is ok after that big effort, then i think the only horse he really has to worry about is the Rachael Alexandra.

Tanico · 05-16-2009, 07:01 AM

Well you guys bring up some good points but I am sticking with Rachel today. I think she overcome the odds and wins the Preakness

thepace · 05-16-2009, 11:58 AM

HEY, Tim Y .. I"ve handicapped a long

time ,,pace the foundation and used %E from a friend. I've seen your posts here an there*

what program do you use? is it still available?? TIA

tom · 05-16-2009, 05:17 PM

Old School Preakness ala PBS

My fulcrum is Racheal - 111.4

I will not use the Derby for PBS....go back one race

+ 1 - 99 (used 2 back route)
+ 2 - 98
+ 3 - 94
- 4 - 82
- 5 - 87
- 6 - 75
+ 7 -100
- 8 - 80
- 9 - 81
+10 - 94
-11 - 78
-12 - 72
+13 - 92

Contenders 100 99 98 94 94 92

Tim Y · 05-18-2009, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thepace

HEY, Tim Y .. I"ve handicapped a long

time ,,pace the foundation and used %E from a friend. I've seen your posts here an there*

what program do you use? is it still available?? TIA

SPeculator 160 and it is a part of RDSS I think. Talk to Ted about that

Mine that Bird's profiles DO bode well for 1 1/2 miles

thepace · 05-18-2009, 01:50 PM

Thanky you, now to find the screen shots that

spec 160 , RDSS ,and other available Sartin programs

provide. ..

Ted Craven · 05-18-2009, 02:15 PM

Thepace,

Not sure, but if you were asking where to find Spec160 and RDSS screens (tutorials), try the respective Forums here:

Spec160 Tutorial (http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3161)
RDSS Videos/Tutorials (www.paceandcap.com/rdssvideos)

And Spec160 is a part of RDSS.

Ted

05-15-2009, 03:26 PM	#12
Vinnie Grade 1 Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 223	Tom: I really like your line of thinking on this race. Particularly if it is in the off going. If MTB is the real deal, I will have a big smile on my face even if he wins. If that effort 2 weeks ago in Louisville can be repeated tomorrow and he does it early enough to win, watch out at the Belmont at a mile and a half. I will have him on top of a trifecta ticket because if he duplicates that move, I at least want to have a shot at a score. Honestly, I can't believe that you don't give Rachel even a shot. Is it because of drawing that nasty #13 post? I believe that she has a lot of versatility and a tremendous amount of tactical speed. If she is able to position herself well going in to the first turn and she isn't placed to far wide, watch out. She can go 22 to 23 seconds in the quarter in a seemingly effortless manner and 46 to 47 in the half while only getting faster beyond that... She is something... She will be the cornerstone of a couple of my tickets. Good skill to all. Vinnie __________________ "All human error is impatience; a premature renunciation of method". F. Kafka

05-16-2009, 06:25 AM	#14
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	Look at the Power Move MTB made between 2c and straight against POTN and Papa Clem. A similar Power Move to Street Sense in KD 07, a similar Power Move to Street Sense in Preakness 07 If MTB is ok after that big effort, then i think the only horse he really has to worry about is the Rachael Alexandra. Attached Images __________________ "To me, The Match Up supercedes everything" Last edited by Charlie D; 05-16-2009 at 06:38 AM.

05-16-2009, 05:17 PM	#17
tom Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 644	Old School Old School Preakness ala PBS My fulcrum is Racheal - 111.4 I will not use the Derby for PBS....go back one race + 1 - 99 (used 2 back route) + 2 - 98 + 3 - 94 - 4 - 82 - 5 - 87 - 6 - 75 + 7 -100 - 8 - 80 - 9 - 81 +10 - 94 -11 - 78 -12 - 72 +13 - 92 Contenders 100 99 98 94 94 92

05-18-2009, 02:15 PM	#20
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 9,251	Thepace, Not sure, but if you were asking where to find Spec160 and RDSS screens (tutorials), try the respective Forums here: Spec160 Tutorial (http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3161) RDSS Videos/Tutorials (www.paceandcap.com/rdssvideos) And Spec160 is a part of RDSS. Ted __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™

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05-15-2009, 03:03 PM	#11
tom Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 644	However, the Derby winner has some interesting things going for him. If the track is sloppy tomorrow, it night be sample error to use anything other than a w sloppy dirt track. He is a developing 3 yo and that screams improvement. Throw out his poly track races, look only at dirt, and you see a layoff, some foundation, a huge early pace tightener, then the explosion. I see him repeating that race. If you make him a contender, you have to use a line that makes him one. I give the filly no shot at all of winning, but I hope she takes a lot of money. I'm using the alternative tandem process for the Preakness - the Bird gets the Derby line and all others get a line previous (the best line at 9 furlongs) to that. I can't wait to run a lot of lines through Val4 tonight. Good luck all.

05-15-2009, 06:51 PM	#13
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	Made a few calls. Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

05-16-2009, 07:01 AM	#15
Tanico Grade 3 Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	Well you guys bring up some good points but I am sticking with Rachel today. I think she overcome the odds and wins the Preakness

05-16-2009, 11:58 AM	#16
thepace AlwNW1X Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6	HEY, Tim Y .. I"ve handicapped a long time ,,pace the foundation and used %E from a friend. I've seen your posts here an there* what program do you use? is it still available?? TIA

05-18-2009, 01:50 PM	#19
thepace AlwNW1X Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6	Thanky you, now to find the screen shots that spec 160 , RDSS ,and other available Sartin programs provide. ..