How best to match just using raw/original times and the entire past performances? - Page 14 - Pace and Cap

MIKE1121 · 12-27-2007, 04:19 PM

Richie.

I wasn't looking at any particular horse just trying to set some parameters.

Fast pace races from what I understand it seems like you are first looking and giving the most credit to the 1rst call followed by the second call, do you give much or any to final time?

Hypothetical example concerning powerlines:

A: 22 45 113
B: 22.4 46.4 112

which would you choose as the fast pace race?

MIke.

RichieP · 12-27-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MIKE1121

Richie.

I wasn't looking at any particular horse just trying to set some parameters.

Fast pace races from what I understand it seems like you are first looking and giving the most credit to the 1rst call followed by the second call, do you give much or any to final time?

Hypothetical example concerning powerlines:

A: 22 45 113
B: 22.4 46.4 112

which would you choose as the fast pace race?
MIke.

Without question "A" Mike.

RichieP · 12-27-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MIKE1121

Fast pace races from what I understand it seems like you are first looking and giving the most credit to the 1rst call followed by the second call,

YES in that exact order Mike.

RichieP · 12-27-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MIKE1121

do you give much or any to final time?
MIke.

NONE Mike.

RichieP · 12-28-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sdahl

I would say the #3 is the fastest router. I am looking forward to see how you compare the sprinter and the router.

Stan

Ok excellent Stan. Here is a screen shot of the #8 and #3 power lines.

Final step:
Looking at both the pace of races shown and positions which horse is going to be ahead of the other during the running of the race? THAT is your horse.

billylump · 12-28-2007, 12:34 PM

If the A and B horses are facing each other today and the times listed are
typical of past performance, there is no way the B horse can come home in
112. The two earlier fractions are so much slower than the A horse it is
impossible for the B horse to come home any faster than 113.3 if that.

*** Right on the money Billy. *** RichieP

sdahl · 12-28-2007, 04:29 PM

#8 has better positions and also better times at the first two calls. Do sprint first calls run a little faster that route first calls.
Stan

** Ok focus on your first sentence Stan. "better positions and better times". There is your answer bud! ** - RichieP

MIKE1121 · 12-28-2007, 04:39 PM

Richie.

Can the methods you are teaching be used successfully with 4 1/2 furlong races? What if any changes need to be made for this distance. I also like CT the only problem is that they have a lot of 4 1/2 f races.

Mike.

*** Mike the answer is YES. When Jim started teaching me he OFTEN worked races at the 4.5 distance from Charlestown.
I questioned him a couple of times about working that distance and his EXACT reply was " Rich it is just a darn horse race. We work em all the same ok" *** - RichieP

RichieP · 12-28-2007, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdahl

#8 has better positions and also better times at the first two calls. Do sprint first calls run a little faster that route first calls.
Stan

** Ok focus on your first sentence Stan. "better positions and better times". There is your answer bud! ** - RichieP

Stan
Here is the result chart ok?
Richie

MIKE1121 · 12-28-2007, 06:54 PM

I have not yet gone thru all the instructions concerning the match up, saying this I do see one pattern : horses who are at the back of the pack are usually thrown out.The most likely winner seems to be horses who can win with the lead or just off the lead ( 1 to 2 BL 1rst call). What situation needs to occur for a deep closer ( 8th, 9th position 10 or more BL 1rst call ) to be made the bet?.

Mike.

12-28-2007, 12:34 PM	#136
billylump AlwNW1X Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15	Post by Mike 1121 If the A and B horses are facing each other today and the times listed are typical of past performance, there is no way the B horse can come home in 112. The two earlier fractions are so much slower than the A horse it is impossible for the B horse to come home any faster than 113.3 if that. * Right on the money Billy. * RichieP Last edited by RichieP; 12-28-2007 at 12:46 PM.

12-28-2007, 04:29 PM	#137
sdahl Grade 2 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 76	#8 has better positions and also better times at the first two calls. Do sprint first calls run a little faster that route first calls. Stan Ok focus on your first sentence Stan. "better positions and better times". There is your answer bud! - RichieP Last edited by RichieP; 12-28-2007 at 04:40 PM.

12-28-2007, 04:39 PM	#138
MIKE1121 Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 131	Richie. Can the methods you are teaching be used successfully with 4 1/2 furlong races? What if any changes need to be made for this distance. I also like CT the only problem is that they have a lot of 4 1/2 f races. Mike. * Mike the answer is YES. When Jim started teaching me he OFTEN worked races at the 4.5 distance from Charlestown. I questioned him a couple of times about working that distance and his EXACT reply was " Rich it is just a darn horse race. We work em all the same ok" * - RichieP Last edited by RichieP; 12-28-2007 at 04:43 PM.

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12-27-2007, 04:19 PM	#131
MIKE1121 Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 131	Richie. I wasn't looking at any particular horse just trying to set some parameters. Fast pace races from what I understand it seems like you are first looking and giving the most credit to the 1rst call followed by the second call, do you give much or any to final time? Hypothetical example concerning powerlines: A: 22 45 113 B: 22.4 46.4 112 which would you choose as the fast pace race? MIke.

12-28-2007, 06:54 PM	#140
MIKE1121 Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 131	I have not yet gone thru all the instructions concerning the match up, saying this I do see one pattern : horses who are at the back of the pack are usually thrown out.The most likely winner seems to be horses who can win with the lead or just off the lead ( 1 to 2 BL 1rst call). What situation needs to occur for a deep closer ( 8th, 9th position 10 or more BL 1rst call ) to be made the bet?. Mike.