class structure - Page 6 - Pace and Cap

Charlie D · 11-23-2008, 09:02 PM

Hat had it sorted Tom i think, how, i just ain't figured yet and i may never will, but i'll give it a darn good try

tom · 11-23-2008, 10:01 PM

We will have to agree to disagree...I've seen far too many examples of horse failing in G1 or G1 against slower paces than they have beaten in G3 to thinking that class is not important, and far to many horses drop from MSW to Mcl and soundly beat paces they have never been close to before.

Culin was on the downside of his form cycle and on a surface that strongly favored turf horses, not his best surface. His limitations were in form and surface, not class.

Charlie D · 11-23-2008, 10:07 PM

No bother Tom, be boring and very chalky if we all agreed

Curlin was off roids in 2008 i believe and i think this was reflected in his later efforts

For The Lead · 11-24-2008, 07:16 AM

Everything in handicapping is based on historical data. THat's why they are called "PAST Performances". It doesn't matter what line selection method you use, you are using historical data in an attempt to predict the outcome of a future event.

Tim Y · 11-24-2008, 01:02 PM

QUOTE:"It's nothing to do with Grade 2 or Grade 3 designations and ALL to do with the Match Up Ready Set faces."

EXACTLY the point I have been stating

shoeless · 11-27-2008, 11:38 AM

Enough said popped today at 5-1

11-23-2008, 09:02 PM	#51
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	Hat had it sorted Tom i think, how, i just ain't figured yet and i may never will, but i'll give it a darn good try Last edited by Charlie D; 11-23-2008 at 09:10 PM.

11-23-2008, 10:07 PM	#53
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	No bother Tom, be boring and very chalky if we all agreed Curlin was off roids in 2008 i believe and i think this was reflected in his later efforts Last edited by Charlie D; 11-23-2008 at 10:21 PM.

11-27-2008, 11:38 AM	#56
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,644	Enough said popped today at 5-1 Attached Images

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11-23-2008, 10:01 PM	#52
tom Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 644	We will have to agree to disagree...I've seen far too many examples of horse failing in G1 or G1 against slower paces than they have beaten in G3 to thinking that class is not important, and far to many horses drop from MSW to Mcl and soundly beat paces they have never been close to before. Culin was on the downside of his form cycle and on a surface that strongly favored turf horses, not his best surface. His limitations were in form and surface, not class.

11-24-2008, 07:16 AM	#54
For The Lead Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,292	Everything in handicapping is based on historical data. THat's why they are called "PAST Performances". It doesn't matter what line selection method you use, you are using historical data in an attempt to predict the outcome of a future event.

11-24-2008, 01:02 PM	#55
Tim Y turf historian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,455	QUOTE:"It's nothing to do with Grade 2 or Grade 3 designations and ALL to do with the Match Up Ready Set faces." EXACTLY the point I have been stating