1ST call times - Pace and Cap

mikesal57 · 10-13-2008, 11:45 AM

hi guys...Does anybody have a good list of tracks that have abnormal 1st call times, either fast or slow?

thxs Mike

Tim Y · 10-13-2008, 01:51 PM

Philly park usually transfers too fast to other tracks.

grahors · 10-13-2008, 03:30 PM

I believe I have read someplace that when adjusting fractional times for the track variant, final time should be adjusted the full amount of the deviation from the track average variant, the pace call adjusted by 1/2 the amount and the 1st quarter adjusted by 1/4 the amt.
Assuming ala Sartin that a universal variant average is 17,18,19. A race with a variant of 10..17-10=7..final would be adjusted 7 ticks upward, pace call adjusted 3 up ( I round down) and 1/4 adjusted up 1.
I would think track to track could be adjusted the same way using the ATM track equalization chart or some other means.
ie. if Arlington gets per the chart a 100 for sprints, Belmont a 90. horse shipping to Belmont from Arlington needs to be slowed down to equate with Belmont by 10ticks on final time, 5 ticks for the pace call and 3 for the 1/4.
Please correct me if my thinking is off.....too many pain pills slow the brain down.

Houndog · 10-13-2008, 04:02 PM

In 6 furlong races Churchill Downs is faster I think because of the run up before they start timing.

On the West Coast Emerald Downs and Golden Gate at 6 furlongs is quicker.

clore1030 · 10-13-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesal57

hi guys...Does anybody have a good list of tracks that have abnormal 1st call times, either fast or slow?

thxs Mike

I have no data on it, but for 30 years the clockings at Monmouth always seemed too high compared to the NYC circuit.

Houndog · 10-13-2008, 04:27 PM

At 6 furlongs Pimlico and to a lesser extent Keeneland are slower. This is by referencing a recent set of par times.

Turbulator · 10-13-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Houndog

At 6 furlongs Pimlico and to a lesser extent Keeneland are slower. This is by referencing a recent set of par times.

You know, I just thought of something that has never been done to my knowledge. 1st call "par" times.

It's got me thinking.

socantra · 10-13-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Turbulator

You know, I just thought of something that has never been done to my knowledge. 1st call "par" times.

It's got me thinking.

Dave Schwartz at Horsestreet and the folks at Cynthia Publishing have been doing pars for all three calls for years.

Dick

Turbulator · 10-14-2008, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by socantra

Dave Schwartz at Horsestreet and the folks at Cynthia Publishing have been doing pars for all three calls for years.

Dick

Does Cynthia actually do them or is it Gordon Pine?

lsosa54 · 10-14-2008, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbulator

Does Cynthia actually do them or is it Gordon Pine?

http://www.netcapper.com/

Gordon Pine has been gone from Cynthia for quite a long time. He has his own site and software. Not sure who does them over at Cynthia now - maybe Steve Unite if he's still around.

10-13-2008, 11:45 AM	#1
mikesal57 Grade 1 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 3,952	1ST call times hi guys...Does anybody have a good list of tracks that have abnormal 1st call times, either fast or slow? thxs Mike __________________ Never bet a favorite doing something for the first time-Harvey Pack

10-13-2008, 01:51 PM	#2
Tim Y turf historian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,455	Philly Philly park usually transfers too fast to other tracks.

10-13-2008, 04:02 PM	#4
Houndog Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,258	Faster 1st Call Times In 6 furlong races Churchill Downs is faster I think because of the run up before they start timing. On the West Coast Emerald Downs and Golden Gate at 6 furlongs is quicker.

10-13-2008, 04:27 PM	#6
Houndog Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,258	Slower 1st Call Times At 6 furlongs Pimlico and to a lesser extent Keeneland are slower. This is by referencing a recent set of par times.

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10-13-2008, 03:30 PM	#3
grahors Grade 1 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 104	I believe I have read someplace that when adjusting fractional times for the track variant, final time should be adjusted the full amount of the deviation from the track average variant, the pace call adjusted by 1/2 the amount and the 1st quarter adjusted by 1/4 the amt. Assuming ala Sartin that a universal variant average is 17,18,19. A race with a variant of 10..17-10=7..final would be adjusted 7 ticks upward, pace call adjusted 3 up ( I round down) and 1/4 adjusted up 1. I would think track to track could be adjusted the same way using the ATM track equalization chart or some other means. ie. if Arlington gets per the chart a 100 for sprints, Belmont a 90. horse shipping to Belmont from Arlington needs to be slowed down to equate with Belmont by 10ticks on final time, 5 ticks for the pace call and 3 for the 1/4. Please correct me if my thinking is off.....too many pain pills slow the brain down.