Message for J2EEDeveloper - Pace and Cap

shoeless · 12-05-2009, 05:54 PM

Thanks for your input.I for one got much more out of that then people posting about how they hit races after they have been run or bragging about how many longshots they hit.Jeff

mikesal57 · 12-05-2009, 09:36 PM

Jeff..dont start!!!

shoeless · 12-05-2009, 11:40 PM

not starting anything just giving my opinion

seattlesnake · 12-06-2009, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoeless

Thanks for your input.I for one got much more out of that then people posting about how they hit races after they have been run or bragging about how many longshots they hit.Jeff

Hi Shoe,

I personally Post the whole days card and plays usually 3-4 tracks BEFORE they are run in my album section on a daily basis...and leave em there for a couple of days for review and comparison so you are more than welcome to visit, peek, post remarks.

If you have any questions regarding how to read them feel free to leave a note.

Jess

here's 1 on Fri. Hope you had it too... here is the link of my album for the race below..

http://paceandcap.com/forums/album.p...&pictureid=563

note the time stamp in case your still a skeptic ...

Attachment 18365

shoeless · 12-06-2009, 07:19 AM

Jess, Very nice hit and Im not that good of a handicapper to have had it.The thing is if this site is really intended to help people then why not explain how you came about getting that result.

I just felt JE22 was really trying to help people in giving his views of handicapping but as always it got sidetracked.As I have already said guys like him and For The Lead posts will by far improve my game more then posting how I did after the race is run.

Just a side note Charles Town WV votes passed the bill to allow them to install craps tables and roulette wheels.

mikesal57 · 12-06-2009, 10:03 AM

Jeff...There is rally no secret code to get these results

First of all...you need RDSS which I don't believe you use

Second...Paceline selection...from what I see , jess uses last good race at around same dist and surface..

With the #7 ..the 7th line down was his only route race on his PP..He tried it and Wow..it put him up there near the top

In the case of #2 , off since March, Jess used one of his good routes to see if that race would get him in the mix....It didnt..5th on bl/bl

the 5 had all turf races..he probably didnt use him

So he looks at his final #'s and he sees a 15-1 shot 2nd on the bl/bl

what would you do?

heres the PP's for this race..tell us how would u handicap this race

mike

SilentRun · 12-06-2009, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlesnake

Hi Shoe,

I personally Post the whole days card and plays usually 3-4 tracks BEFORE they are run in my album section on a daily basis...and leave em there for a couple of days for review and comparison so you are more than welcome to visit, peek, post remarks.

If you have any questions regarding how to read them feel free to leave a note.

Jess

here's 1 on Fri. Hope you had it too... here is the link of my album for the race below..

http://paceandcap.com/forums/album.p...&pictureid=563

note the time stamp in case your still a skeptic ...

Attachment 18365

I was not aware of this and I think you are providing an excellent service for
the user community. There are two learning areas, conceptual and pragmatic.
New ideas are always welcome as well as specific examples.

At this point with the Methodology I personally like to review specific races
such as you have presented and try to better understand the paceline selection process.
Yes, comments explaining the why of each contenders paceline
selection would be nice. But as you stated above these races are available before
they are run and any user has the option of reviewing your selections and accessing
the card and going through the selection process themselves.

So..thank you for this avenue of communication.

Ernie

shoeless · 12-06-2009, 11:51 AM

Mike, Im not a good judge of this like others are out there and by looking at the pp's I would not not have played the race.The main point of this thread is when someone is trying to help others by giving good info with examples even if you disagree with it let the person finish what they started.This would be a heck of a lot more helpful then to keep sidetracking the thread with other useless pieces of information.

tfm · 12-06-2009, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoeless

Mike, Im not a good judge of this like others are out there and by looking at the pp's I would not not have played the race.The main point of this thread is when someone is trying to help others by giving good info with examples even if you disagree with it let the person finish what they started.This would be a heck of a lot more helpful then to keep sidetracking the thread with other useless pieces of information.

I don't get it with you. I've been reading your posts for a few years now (here and on PA) and you're still basically stuck in the same place. You're either whining about something or trying some new program. If using someone else's program or method was the way to go, then we wouldn't be seeing so much REDBOARDING on this forum. Everybody would be wining. It's simple enough to pick winners, and every so often we all do it. Coming around after the fact is just poor taste, IMO. But I digress.

Getting back to you. Instead of bitching all the time why not channel that effort into something MORE PRODUCTIVE: like actually learning about the game. Watch some replays, keep some notes, try to understand what happens in a race. Breaking down a race in terms of splits and split times is a very NARROW approach to a very complicated game. (It's like conventional medicine, which treats the individual symptom rather than taking a wholistic approach.) Some would have you believe that by following a certain method you can win. And when you don't it's because you need to take their method to the next level, and the level after that, etc. There are no shortcuts here. The game is too complicated and much too hard. Learn it on your own, at your own pace, rather than following the failing methods of others. At the end the rewards will be worth the effort and it'll be ALL YOURS.

shoeless · 12-06-2009, 12:53 PM

TFM, Actually not whining or attacking people such as your doing just giving my opinion.In these economic times of ours Im just trying to keep a roof over my families head by trying to work as hard as I can on my job.Playing the races at this time is not my NO 1 priority.Have a nice day.

12-05-2009, 05:54 PM	#1
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,650	Message for J2EEDeveloper Thanks for your input.I for one got much more out of that then people posting about how they hit races after they have been run or bragging about how many longshots they hit.Jeff

12-06-2009, 07:19 AM	#5
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,650	Jess, Very nice hit and Im not that good of a handicapper to have had it.The thing is if this site is really intended to help people then why not explain how you came about getting that result. I just felt JE22 was really trying to help people in giving his views of handicapping but as always it got sidetracked.As I have already said guys like him and For The Lead posts will by far improve my game more then posting how I did after the race is run. Just a side note Charles Town WV votes passed the bill to allow them to install craps tables and roulette wheels. Last edited by shoeless; 12-06-2009 at 07:24 AM.

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shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,650	Mike, Im not a good judge of this like others are out there and by looking at the pp's I would not not have played the race.The main point of this thread is when someone is trying to help others by giving good info with examples even if you disagree with it let the person finish what they started.This would be a heck of a lot more helpful then to keep sidetracking the thread with other useless pieces of information.

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shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,650	TFM, Actually not whining or attacking people such as your doing just giving my opinion.In these economic times of ours Im just trying to keep a roof over my families head by trying to work as hard as I can on my job.Playing the races at this time is not my NO 1 priority.Have a nice day.