Big 3rd fraction horses - Pace and Cap

shoeless · 04-13-2006, 10:44 PM

I was listening to an old sartin seminar tape and Doc,Brohammer and The Hat all agreed that putting in horses with big 3rd fraction numbers only will just screw up your readouts.Here is a horse from the 9th tomorrow at CT I would like to know if you would enter this horse or not from this paceline.

22.4 46.1 120.0 9[12 behind] 9[9behind] 6[9.5 behind 3[4.5 behind]

The behind is lengths

By me putting this horse in it's coming up big in all of the readouts.Jeff

Dap Daddi · 04-13-2006, 11:16 PM

What if the pact runs faster opening splits? The horse in my opinion based on the limited information you listed. Sound like he is a big closer!

Dap

shoeless · 04-14-2006, 06:28 AM

Dap,He is a big closer.I know I gave limited info but I wanted to see if people would put that paceline into the computer or not.The race was run at CT and the same distance as todays race 6.5 furlongs.Maybe Bill can put up the whole pp's of the horse it's called Atlas Peak running in the 9th at CT.Jeff

RichieP · 04-14-2006, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by shoeless

Dap,He is a big closer.I know I gave limited info but I wanted to see if people would put that paceline into the computer or not.The race was run at CT and the same distance as todays race 6.5 furlongs.Maybe Bill can put up the whole pp's of the horse it's called Atlas Peak running in the 9th at CT.Jeff

ok big bro go head now!

RichieP · 04-14-2006, 06:35 AM

same horse different look

partsnut · 04-14-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shoeless
Dap,He is a big closer.I know I gave limited info but I wanted to see if people would put that paceline into the computer or not.The race was run at CT and the same distance as todays race 6.5 furlongs.Maybe Bill can put up the whole pp's of the horse it's called Atlas Peak running in the 9th at CT.Jeff

Jeff, because we are good friends, I will offer my humble opinion of this race.
I believe the (8,1) might be the horses of choice here. whichever one gets the lead should keep it. The race sets up for an early or early presser type horse to win. I see the order of finish (first 4) being as follows:
8, 1, 5, 6.

There's a good possibility for a nice price.

shoeless · 04-14-2006, 05:17 PM

Parts,Thanks actually in this race I like 8,4,1.I didnt like the 2 because he has been away for awhile and I dont like playing those type of horses at CT.Jeff

shoeless · 04-14-2006, 05:19 PM

Richie,That energy generator is pretty good there on the paceline screen.Which program is that?Not that I understand it anyway.Jeff

tompkins · 04-14-2006, 05:27 PM

Although we all know the names of these (Silky, Cefis, Strike the Gold, Concern) there is a singularly nasty problem with them: they don't win that often

alydar_ David · 04-14-2006, 09:28 PM

Jeff, to answer your question, "Yes, I'd consider using that paceline."

I wouldn't settle for that paceline; I'd consider it, but I'd select the second race back for two reasons:

1) It's a better race
2) It's more indicative of what the horse will probably run today IMO

#2 Atlas Peak looks okay. He's the second best closer in the race though, not the best. That honor is bestowed upon #6 Easy Cruiser.

You're right, 135 days off might be too long a rest for #2 and the posted workout is insufficient. On the other hand, he's dropping five pounds and we all know trainers go goo-goo over that.

At 4-1 and 7/2 they're certainly playable in the double.

I'd go for a Woolworth's in the tenth -- five and ten. They can both run to par. If you want a horse who might "steal" it on the front end, consider #6 Our Diamond Girl at 10-1.

04-13-2006, 10:44 PM	#1
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,610	Big 3rd fraction horses I was listening to an old sartin seminar tape and Doc,Brohammer and The Hat all agreed that putting in horses with big 3rd fraction numbers only will just screw up your readouts.Here is a horse from the 9th tomorrow at CT I would like to know if you would enter this horse or not from this paceline. 22.4 46.1 120.0 9[12 behind] 9[9behind] 6[9.5 behind 3[4.5 behind] The behind is lengths By me putting this horse in it's coming up big in all of the readouts.Jeff

04-14-2006, 06:35 AM	#5
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	another look at same horse same horse different look Attached Images

04-14-2006, 05:27 PM	#9
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	one run wonders Although we all know the names of these (Silky, Cefis, Strike the Gold, Concern) there is a singularly nasty problem with them: they don't win that often __________________ velocititian

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04-13-2006, 11:16 PM	#2
Dap Daddi Dap Daddi Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 138	Yes What if the pact runs faster opening splits? The horse in my opinion based on the limited information you listed. Sound like he is a big closer! Dap

04-14-2006, 06:28 AM	#3
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,610	Dap,He is a big closer.I know I gave limited info but I wanted to see if people would put that paceline into the computer or not.The race was run at CT and the same distance as todays race 6.5 furlongs.Maybe Bill can put up the whole pp's of the horse it's called Atlas Peak running in the 9th at CT.Jeff

04-14-2006, 05:17 PM	#7
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,610	Parts,Thanks actually in this race I like 8,4,1.I didnt like the 2 because he has been away for awhile and I dont like playing those type of horses at CT.Jeff

04-14-2006, 05:19 PM	#8
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,610	Richie,That energy generator is pretty good there on the paceline screen.Which program is that?Not that I understand it anyway.Jeff

04-14-2006, 09:28 PM	#10
alydar_ David Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,654	Jeff, to answer your question, "Yes, I'd consider using that paceline." I wouldn't settle for that paceline; I'd consider it, but I'd select the second race back for two reasons: 1) It's a better race 2) It's more indicative of what the horse will probably run today IMO #2 Atlas Peak looks okay. He's the second best closer in the race though, not the best. That honor is bestowed upon #6 Easy Cruiser. You're right, 135 days off might be too long a rest for #2 and the posted workout is insufficient. On the other hand, he's dropping five pounds and we all know trainers go goo-goo over that. At 4-1 and 7/2 they're certainly playable in the double. I'd go for a Woolworth's in the tenth -- five and ten. They can both run to par. If you want a horse who might "steal" it on the front end, consider #6 Our Diamond Girl at 10-1.