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[Tim Y]

Originally Posted by MIKE1121

No. It is different.

okay HOW?

[MIKE1121]

I assumed that the reference to Mr. Brohammers positioning refers to a horses running stlye . My positioning refers to the placement which I see each horse being in relation to the field.I am not concerned with running styles( exception need to leads) like seperating pressers from sustain, for ME it is more beneficial to see that a horse I am looking at will as an example be in 4th position at an ESTIMATED 5 beaten lenghts( Zone 5), with 2 horses in zone 1( front of race) and 1 horse in zone2( the 10 foot area behind zone 1).With zones 3 and 4 empty.


Yes a faster pace may mean a horse will not be as close position wise but it may not... At random I opened yesterdays breeders cup pps for the classic.. looking at #1. Go Between

His first call beaten lengths..
9 1/4,,,3,,,3.5,,,13,,,11,,3.75 ,,,2.5,,,8.25,,,4.5,,,3,,,2.5,,,3


These beaten lenghts are against all different fractional times sometimes as you can see a horse will be further back when he runs against a faster pace, but not always... This is why positioning is mostly ART and not science( well it is for MY VERSION).


Do horses run against the clock or against each other, for some horses their position is determined by time i.e. they just run the same times over and over again, for many others they will adjust their position to keep themselves with the other horses. This is evident by a eye ball scan.


All I can say is it works for me, since I have been doing this I get more overlays than I ever got in the past. Maybe the reason is that I have seperated myself from the crowd, I don't know. If it aint broke don't fix it.

Mike.

[Bill V.]

Do horses run against the clock or against each other, for some horses their position is determined by time i.e. they just run the same times over and over again, for many others they will adjust their position to keep themselves with the other horses. This is evident by a eye ball scan.

In all the races I have watched they seem to pay off the
winners. Not the horse who ran faster or slower than they usually run

[MIKE1121]

Originally Posted by Bill V.

In all the races I have watched they seem to pay off the
winners. Not the horse who ran faster or slower than they usually run

Jim Bradshaw said once " it don't matter how you get the winner jus gettem"


Mike.

[Tim Y]

that is a new one: ZONES......never ever heard of that one.

[Charlie D]

Originally Posted by MIKE1121

Jim Bradshaw said once " it don't matter how you get the winner jus gettem"


Mike.

Looks like Jim knew

[VoodooFan]

Originally Posted by MIKE1121

for some horses their position is determined by time i.e. they just run the same times over and over again, for many others they will adjust their position to keep themselves with the other horses. This is evident by a eye ball scan.

Nice, Mike.

I think you tapped into an element/ingredient of Jim "THE HAT" Bradshaw's MatchUp/Voodoo.

"How does this horse like to run?" "How and from where does he like to win?"

"What does he do his best in?"

And maybe that's why computer ESP and Visual ESP have differences.

Good post, Thanks for sharing.

VoodooFan

p.s. It would be interesting to see all the "personally" trained and successful students of THE HAT to pick a race card together, privately, and try to crush a card with a team Pick 6 or something. Maybe at a Breeders Cup or something. They ALL walk into the track with "Stetsons" on. That would be interesting. Might also be a learning experience.

[Tim Y]

I can count on one hand the number of horses that JUST run enough to keep position and do not follow velocities. They are out there but are rare. Sunny Jim Fitzsimmons was the first to note it for me with his comments on Nashua: "that one ran JUST enough and not a bit more to keep up."

[MIKE1121]

Originally Posted by Tim Y

I can count on one hand the number of horses that JUST run enough to keep position and do not follow velocities. They are out there but are rare. Sunny Jim Fitzsimmons was the first to note it for me with his comments on Nashua: "that one ran JUST enough and not a bit more to keep up."

If this where true then horses would hardly ever have the same Beaten lenghts at the first call, which they do a lot of the time.

If a horse is going to always adjust his position depending upon the speed of the lead as you are saying then he should run the same first call fractions over and over again which SELDOM happens.


Horse racing is seldom 1 + 1 = 2


Mike.

[xtb]

Originally Posted by Tim Y

that is a new one: ZONES......never ever heard of that one.

Hence the title of this thread.