Huge late runs --- Facts - Pace and Cap

tfm · 01-05-2009, 01:38 PM

Someone over at PA is comparing the late run of Eusebio (SUN-01-04-09_R11) to that of Donnaguska (HAW-10-23-08_R8).

No comparison.

Tim Y · 01-05-2009, 02:53 PM

look the same to me

clore1030 · 01-05-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Y

look the same to me

From what I can see, one came from about 25 lengths back at first call and the other from about half that figure.

I have trouble reading the numerals on the left side of the screen, so I hope that the OP comes back to verify.

I suppose that I could always just confirm by looking up the DRF charts.

Tim Y · 01-05-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by clore1030

From what I can see, one came from about 25 lengths back at first call and the other from about half that figure.

I have trouble reading the numerals on the left side of the screen, so I hope that the OP comes back to verify.

I suppose that I could always just confirm by looking up the DRF charts.

Pace collapse makes these once or twice a month phenomena look far better than they really are.

Few of the great closers repeated often enough to make their odds worth a bet

clore1030 · 01-05-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Y

Pace collapse makes these once or twice a month phenomena look far better than they really are.

Few of the great closers repeated often enough to make their odds worth a bet

I might consider such types when dealing with the cream of the crop, emphasis on might.

I tend to look most seriously at those who rank well on EP and TT. I prefer to not have my horse be sitting behind a wall of others in the stretch.

Generalizations of course, but my prime reason to look for deep closers is to bet against them.

The grass is another matter, but for dirt races I like the kind of horse that Lauren Bacall described in THE BIG SLEEP.

Charlie D · 01-05-2009, 05:23 PM

Top horse has made up 23.5 lengths in 2f

Looks to me like it's a no comparison, TOP beats bottom hands down

amazing run by Top horse tbh, but tough to repeat

Charlie D · 01-05-2009, 05:45 PM

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Top horse has made up 23.5 lengths in 2

Actaully that not quite correct as Top was in lead for a couple

Compare both horses to where they join leader of race and you'll see Top kicks butt

01-05-2009, 01:38 PM	#1
tfm Former member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,136	Huge late runs --- Facts Someone over at PA is comparing the late run of Eusebio (SUN-01-04-09_R11) to that of Donnaguska (HAW-10-23-08_R8). No comparison. Attached Images

01-05-2009, 02:53 PM	#2
Tim Y turf historian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,455	look the same to me __________________ Albert Einstein:"The monotony and solitude of a quiet life stimulates the creative mind."

01-05-2009, 05:23 PM	#6
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	Top horse has made up 23.5 lengths in 2f Looks to me like it's a no comparison, TOP beats bottom hands down amazing run by Top horse tbh, but tough to repeat Last edited by Charlie D; 01-05-2009 at 05:26 PM.